Thursday, November 15, 2018
Andrew Scheer And His Cons Fail the Baloney Test. Again.
As I'm sure you know, the idea of Andrew Scheer as a crime buster makes me howl with laughter.
That angry nerd would protect us from the criminals?
And who I wonder would protect us from him and his Cons?
Especially since Scheer's Crime Busting Plan turns out to be practically fraudulent.
Or at least according to the Baloney Meter, mucho baloney.
The Conservative proposals to end gang activity focus on increasing penalties and locking up members for longer periods, based on the notion existing approaches are too soft on offenders.
Criminal-justice experts say existing penalties and parole provisions are stiff enough. In addition, public safety officials in Canada and abroad emphasize the need for a much broader approach to gang-related crime — one that includes direct intervention with gang members and tailored programming.
For these reasons, the Conservative assertion that its plan would make Canadian communities safer is “a lot of baloney.”
They're wrong about this one:
While bail is not automatic, it is generally allowed as a constitutional right unless public safety would be endangered by releasing the accused. However, for some offences, including those involving a firearm or a gang — known as a “criminal organization” in the Criminal Code — the accused must show why their detention is not justified.
Simply outlawing bail for gang members would result in “a pretty strong constitutional challenge,” Puddister said.
And wrong about this one:
Release on parole is never guaranteed, and the Parole Board of Canada must assess an offender’s risk when they become eligible. Offenders on parole must obey the law and follow standard conditions, such as reporting regularly to a parole officer. The parole board can also impose special conditions, and has the power to revoke release if the conditions are breached.
The Conservative proposal “implies that the people working in the system are stupid,” said Irvin Waller, a criminology professor at the University of Ottawa.
Can you believe it?
The Cons implying that others are stupid? When they are the ones who don't know what they're doing.
But are trying to whip up the equally ignorant mob for crass political reasons.
I realize they are desperate, but we have been warned...
They are prepared to pervert the legal system to pleasure themselves.
A vote for Andrew Scheer and his Cons can only lead to a police state.
So make sure that they never ever, govern this country again...
Labels: Andrew Scheer, Baloney Meter, Con clowns, Con Crime Plan
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Both Ford brothers were very much associated with gangsters in a younger day.
Only the Cons could launch an attack ad campaign, and get all their facts wrong. Imagine how the Con media would go after Trudeau if he had done the same thing. But so far nothing but *crickets.” Simon is right, if we don’t demand better we will end up in a police state.
If a little jail time is good, more must be better or is it a case of practice makes perfect unless you are too old to practice your apprenticeship when you get out. Assuming you cant get an executive job when leaving prison the average gang member would be too old after 30 to 40 years at 150,000 per year equals 4.5 to 6 million per member. It would be cheaper to pay them a mere million to leave and never return but that would be profiting from crime so the only logical alternative is to execute them for their crimes. But rather than duplicate the costly multi million dollar appeal process that has bogged down the US system,the Cons could empower the prime minister to have the final yea or nay say within a week after the conviction. Sort of a US system on steroids. Look how well the long term incarceration and capital punishment system is working in the US. With a little tweaking the Cons system would be much more efficient. What could go wrong and why did society abandon the hang them from the highest tree mentality in the first place? Perhaps it was ineffectual, perhaps too many innocents were hung, perhaps it terrified people to think that the government held that much power over them, perhaps it was all of that and more. One thing for certain is that Trump, Duterte, Kim and MBS would be envious if Scheer were to lead the way on this issue.
So, if I understand Scheer correctly, Harper didn't get the job done in his decade in power?
Where have we heard this all before? Scheer is regurgitating Harper's failed policies and practices as if the helmet headed, dead eyed little dictator were still in power. I wonder how that's going to end? Not!
I cant wait until he revives the cash register ad that had most people shaking their heads at a soon to be booted out PM Harper. Ka-ching!!!
Having worked with a fairly large number of petty criminals over a couple of years, I am impressed with the stupidity of the Cons approach.
Criminals either do not expect to get arrested or else factor it in as a business expense/normal part of life. I had one inmate complain that Ontario jails just did not meet the standard of BC jails.If you are a gang member, jail time may even be a mark of distinction.
If we are dealing with someone who is a member of the ‘Ndrangheta or the Russian Mafia we probably have a different and more serious issue but we would need legal changes and judicial awareness to deal with the problem. Not some Con ads.
The criminals in silhouette are also portrayed as dark people; probably one Black and the other Brown. Not even subtle racism.
Rob Ford kept those associations in his Mayoral days ie his crack connections/constituents.
I presume he would make exceptions for the Proud Boys, La Meute and other right-wing Nazi scum -- er, "conservative community activists" -- who've been welcomed with a wink and a nudge into the Con apparatus itself. So much as a whisper of involvement with the (((parenthetical))) boogeyman George Soros is probably enough, in the view of Scheer and his Scheißtruppe, to qualify as a "gang member." Or as Lagatta pointed out: being a shade too dark for the skin test, having a "foreign"-sounding name, etc. "Jawohl, mein Harper, I can walk!"
omg, some one find a doctor for scheer. he has lost mind. He and the conservatives have taken to using the Trump/Hitler method of information dispersal. he is simply trying too sow distrust in our justice system, never a good thing.
No bail for gang members first he is going to have to prove they belong to a gang and that might be a problem, not to mention, a violation of the law, no probation for gang members, even if the courts were able to find some one was a "gang" member not granting parole on that basis would simply ensure that people served their sentences, were released, and there was no over sight. some criminals used to prefer that one, no over sight.
As I recall some prison corporations wanted to move their act into Canada during Harper's reign of error. Perhaps this is all Scheer is trying to do, too many in prison, bring in the corporate boys and girls. Some one might want to see how much private prison corporations have been funneling into the Conservative party, via some manner.
Hi Lagatta...I don't know much about Ford's background, apart from that story alleging he was a big time drug dealer when he was young. But as ffibs says his brother's time in office was full of shady characters that Dougie didn't appear tomdomanything to chase away. And the way he behaves reminds me of a Central Casting gangster. He is without a doubt the most bestial Canadian leader I have ever seen. He shames us all...
Hi anon...I don't think I'm exaggerating when I say that a leader who lies all the time is a threat to democracy. I think the example of Trump speaks for itself. The media needs to do a better job of investigating those Con lies, or they could very well get away with murder..
Hi RT...anybody who knows me knows that Inam not soft on crime or criminals. But Scheer's cartoon "crime plan." makes absolutely no sense. Dealing with any kind of crime especially youth crime is complex and requires as much sociology as it does criminology. Young people need to be prevented from becoming criminals more than they need draconian punishments. The city of Glasgow, implemented such a plan and the results have been very encouraging. Glasgow is a very tough town, I have a three inch knife scar in my lower abdomen to prove it. But if it can work there, it can work here...
Hi anon....I remember thinking that Harper was going to turn our country into a police state. But his draconian laws and mandatory minimums only made out prisons even more overcrowded and did nothing to bring down crime rates....
Hi JD...I too find it bizarre that Scheer is just repeating what Harper was saying during his last months in office. Maybe he also believes what Harper is said to believe: it wasn't the policies that were flawed, it was the EXECUTION!! And yes, I would love the Cons to bring back that outrageous cash register. Or maybe give it to Doug Ford . Remember he was once taped giving away $20 bills to people in his or his brother's riding. So he could be good at it, and look even more ridiculous...😎
Hi jrkrideau...yes I've always been struck by how many criminals do not expect to get arrested. It's so common I have always maintained that there must be a physiological reason as well as a psychological one, or an economic one, etc etc. So I find it hard to believe that the Cons would lie so blatantly in such a public manner. Even though outfits like the Canadian Press can sic a baloney meter on them and make them look like crimininals themselves. We need more fact checks or reality tests, before all these lies get normalized and the truth is what the rabble wants it to be...
Hi Lagatta...yes, they do look like those big black boogeymen again don't they? And what are those ghastly yellow hands on the back of one of them? They are, as I have said before, the most grotesque political pornographers I have ever had the misfortune to witness...
Hi Jackie...Thanks for playing that great final scene it's one of my favourite scenes of all time, along with the lovely Vera Lynn song. And it's probably pretty close to the desperate scene at Con headquarters. They're spewing out filth even as they go down in flames. It's madness, madness I tell you...😺
Hi e.a.f...I think Scheer needs an exorcist more than he needs a doctor. Among other thing he seems to have forgotten the line about not bearing false witness. Instead he lies like a thief. The Harper "crime plan" was an absolute disaster and Scheer seems to be eager to repeat those mistakes. The Trudeau Liberals have just finished rewriting those bad laws, and still it is riddled with minimums that impose a cookie cutter justice that is both fascist in nature, and the wrong way to make Canada safer...
I lived in Austria it was virtually crime free. The reason was that everyone was taken care of. The Austrains believed 20% of the population is not going to be self sufficient. They did not try and turn the tide, they accommodated it.
Never even noticed that. Where I grew up, many years ago, if you were black, it meant you or your family were upper class.
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