Sunday, May 09, 2010

The Gun Registry and the Culture War













I'm glad Michael Ignatieff is planning to whip his caucus into supporting the Gun Registry.

Because I have to admit that after watching this ad I was a little worried.



Because it sounds a bit like he's trying to reason with the Con fascists, who would turn Canada into Amerika. And everyone knows that's impossible, because they hate Canada sooooooo much. 

Which is why my ad would be a little different.

I'd ask those fithy AmeriCons why they want to KILL our police officers.

And why they love criminals. Like the ones who drove up the cost of the Gun Registry when it first came out. By sabotaging it like TERRORISTS.

I'd also ask them why they want to hurt women.



Do they want to soak our cities in blood just because they're too lazy stoopid to fill out a form? Or do guns and dead women turn them on? The filthy fucking PERVERTS.

And then of course I'd ask them the Big Question.

Why oh why do they want to turn us into Amerikans?

















The dirty bastard TRAITORS.

Which reminds me....you know those progressives, libertarians, teabaggers in our own ranks who want to collaborate with the Cons and gut the gun registry?

This is what I'd tell them:
















If you turn off the filter in your rube aquarium, you'll drown in your own shit. You IDIOTS.

Oh boy. I LOVE culture wars eh?

Because in a culture war it's US versus THEM. 

Canada versus Amerika.

If you're not with us you're against us. And if you don't like that you freaky freakers.

Go vote for Sarah Palin....

13 comments:

Jennifer Smith said...

I always chuckle at that clip from the Lang & O'Leary Exchange on on CBC where O'Leary asks if Lang wouldn't love to get her taxes cut even more, and Lang says, "I like my roads paved, so no".

Simon said...

hi Jennifer...I love that clip too it's great and so true.
Thanks to the creeping Americanization of Canada a lot of Canadians have started blabbing about BIG GOVERNMENT, supporting the Con nonsense on taxes which will saddle us with a deficit it will take a generation to crawl out of. And of course screaming about how the crime rate is going up even though it isn't, and how we're trying to take away their precious guns etc etc * YAWN *
I just don't have enough time and energy to refute all that bullshit. So if some Con starts yapping about taxes. I just say: Oh really, don't shoot me eh? But I'm quite fond of medicare. And BTW where do you suggest I take my next vacation... in California or GREECE? :)

Paul said...

Why am I not surprised you are all for MP's voting against the wishes of the people they represent. That is an awesome plan if the Liberals want the Conservatives to have a Majority. I guess democracy and freedom should only apply to urban and special interest groups.

“how we're trying to take away their precious guns etc etc * YAWN *” its not like the Liberals under Paul Martin proposed a handgun ban. Oh hang on now he did. It is dishonest and condescending to firearms owners suggest the very real possibility of a all out firearms ban cannot happen in Canada.

If gun control is such a great idea why have we yet to have successful ban / control in any country where it has been tried in History.

I will toss you an easy one. Do you have a single supportable fact as to why the registry is valuable? Bonus points of that fact can in anyway support the Billions spent so far.

thwap said...

I think the whole model for the gun registry needs to be changed.

As I understand it, it is needlessly expensive for people to try to comply with it, it strips rights to privacy for gun owners (gives the police access to their homes on the slightest pretext), and at the end of the day, forces a lot of jumping through hoops for Canadians who want to comply.

Because, on a per capita basis, Canadians own more fire-arms than US-Americans do, but we shoot others (and ourselves in suicides) than they do.

The NDP is highly split on this because a lot of their support comes from BC, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, and Northern Ontario, where people own long-guns.

And I wouldn't necessarily rely on police associations for your support. These are the people who would like to taser four-year-olds to keep themselves from getting scratched.

I don't have all the facts, but I'm not 100% sure that the Libs are on the side of the angels.

Simon said...

hi Paul...I did phrase this post as the kind of ad I'd run, so there was no room for nuance. I've always been open to some kind of compromise for people who live in rural areas. But urban dwellers have made it quite clear we don't want our cities flooded with unregistered guns.
But as I said in the post the main reason I support the gun registry is because it makes police officers and my friends the paramedics who accompany them feel safer.
Finally Paul, the idea that Big Liberal Brother is going to seize your guns is ridiculous. And as I said in the post a result of the Americanization of Canada. I mean come on... I thought I was the paranoid one... ;)

Simon said...

hi Thwap...look the issue is a sensitive one. And as I told Paul, I am willing to work out some special breaks for rural dwellers. But I know that police officers use it when answering calls because it is reassuring in a heated situation to know what weapons are around. Because I talk to them and paramedics all the time. So although I agree that police use tasers far too much, in this case it's a matter of job safety.
It costs four-million dollars a year, it's used thousands of times a day, it makes police officers and paramedics feel safer, and that's good enough for me.
The sad thing is that once upon a time we could have worked it out with a Canadian compromise. But these days it all sounds very Amerikan, and it's all or nothing...

Paul said...

Simon,

I am very surprised that someone that supports gay rights would support the notion of two groups being separate but yet equal. By your standard Urban and Rural firearms owners should be treated differently. Lets not even get into logistical problems of area X that is rural today but urban tomorrow as the urban/rural boundaries are re-written on a yearly basis. For example I watched a wetland that was rural turned urban which ended hunting via a by-law that makes discharge of firearm illegal 5 years later it was rezoned now that wetland is 1/20 of what it was and presto we have new homes and a walking trail. In Ontario for example hunting on a wetland adds the same number of points as finding a toxic barrel in a wet land takes away. The active hunting of a wetland is huge in environmental assessments.

I will continue with the separate but equal theme certain handguns in Canada are Propitiated since C-68 became law. Some people have a PAL that is 12.6 endorsed which means they had some of these items before the law changed or they are the direct descendants and have been willed a 12.6 handgun from a 12.6 licensed register owner. Making it a relatively small club which will continue to get smaller and smaller.

I am a urban owner and I face all the same issues as rural owners. I don’t even hunt nor would I take the life of an animal unless I needed it to live. In my life I have seen enough death and destruction then to actively do it for sport. That said I support the right of others to do it. I am a member of several organizations that fight for the rights of firearm owners and hunters.

I am no less of a Canadian then any other Canadian and I will not accept a different set of rules based on someone else’s arbitrary decision of what is urban / rural.

Paul said...

Simon,

I don’t think you really understand this issue. The simple nuances in the laws and classifications of firearms in this country could not be explained from a technical standpoint without adding hundreds of other rifle types (common hunting rifles) into the restricted category. I do not mean this as an insult, but you simply are ignorant to the laws and restrictions we have in place.

“Finally Paul, the idea that Big Liberal Brother is going to seize your guns is ridiculous”

And there is the problem you call my real concerns ridiculous even thought I can quote Liberal politician’s over the last 15 years that show a very clear agenda.

Really it has been in there campaign platforms since Paul Martin. By the way before Paul Martin I had never voted anything but Liberal / Independent and was a card carrying member of the Liberal Party of Canada. I don’t view a real possibility of my property being taken from the government as in any way ridiculous.

So Paul Martin did not propose a handgun ban? (http://www.cbc.ca/story/canadavotes2006/national/2005/12/08/elxn-martin-guns.html)

So Dion did not make a campaign pledge to ban military assault weapons? (http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=777752) I own a few rifles that would be considered a military assault weapon by Dion definition.

*Currently no on in Canada can by a military assault weapon except those grandfathered but they would have had to owned one in 1973 and the firearm will no be grandfather upon there death. What Dion was interested in was banning rifles that are restricted in Canada, but because they are restricted cannot legally be used for hunting. The reality is they are restricted and would be banned under a person like Dion simply because of how they look as mechanically they are no different from hundreds of other non-restricted rifles. It would be the same as a government banning all Purple cars and variants (shades) of purple.


I guess I did not receive a letter from the RCMP via the CFC that said I have 30 days to turn in my legally purchased and register Norinco T97 into the RCMP, sell internationally / movie prop or have it deactivated. For legal reasons I will end comments here as this is a legal matter with very real consequents both legally and economically as I am going to fight this order.

It is odd that when you google Norinco T97 you will not find a single major news source picked this up. I wonder why not a single news source has picked this up. It’s not like the government VIA the RCMP is taking property that is legally owned from its citizens.

I guess the 500,000 + hand guns that became 12.6 destroying the value of private property did not happen under C-68 either.

Paul said...

Simon,

“The sad thing is that once upon a time we could have worked it out with a Canadian compromise. But these days it all sounds very Amerikan, and it's all or nothing...”

On Sept. 22, 1998, I was part of a protest then justice minister Anne McLellan refused to address us its not like thousands of responsible firearm owners estimated to be 20,000 strong rallying on Parliament Hill that day. Instead, she told the media: "The debate is settled. The debate is over." Is that the kind of “Canadian compromise” you speak of.

We tried in good faith to work with the government of the day and that government decided that on X date we would all become criminals of we did not comply.

Paul said...

“And why they love criminals. Like the ones who drove up the cost of the Gun Registry when it first came out. By sabotaging it like TERRORISTS.”

It was an act of civil disobedience not terrorism. Again coming from someone who supports equal rights I am surprised you would take such offense to a non-violent act of civil disobedience. If I remember correctly Harvey Milk was big into civil disobedience. Let’s not forget just about every single equal rights movement is founded in civil disobedience.

Its funny you would praise the others, but call firearms owners terrorists. Why is that?

I have to say I am also a little surprised at the hate you have for firearms owners. The suggestion that we want blood to run in the streets or that we are both to lazy and stupid to fill out forms and that we get off on the murder or women and police officers is so prejudice it is surprising for someone fighting “Bigots and Bullies as hard as hey can”.

Simon said...

Hi Paul...Wow...What are you trying to do to me? Wear me down until I agree with you. ;)
Seriously you make a very good argument for your side in this debate, I don't know everything, and I'm grateful for all the details and nuances you can teach me.
And I also think that you are a decent conservative and your arguments are civilized, but I don't really want to pit rural areas against urban areas and I am looking for some kind of compromise.
But here's my question if you have those guns what is the big problem with registering them? To me it seems like a bureaucratic hassle, something that would annoy me greatly, but that I would do because that's the way things are. Like getting a new medicare card or renewing my passport.
So I don't understand why the registry drives you guys crazy. And I still don't believe that anybody wants to take your guns away from you. I certainly don't.
As for the TERRORIST comment...as I told you before I was simply trying to design an attack ad to counter the ones used by the Harper government.
And attack ads aren't known for being subtle. And sadly, sometimes, neither am I... :)

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